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Post by sinclairslick on Mar 29, 2017 8:13:16 GMT -8
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Post by brieannafaye on Apr 2, 2017 16:32:47 GMT -8
Hi there,
Overall I think you have a lot of potential! I do have some quick notes about the delivery:
- The voices are really great, I would just be sure you are able to do them without straining your voice so you don't hurt your chords overtime. Using your diaphragm to do most of the heavy lifting (breathing, depth, etc.) will help you to sustain the character for long periods of time.
- It sounds like you are reading/trying to act the lines. I would recommend starting by saying thee lines in your normal voice expressing the line how you would if you were in the scene. Record this and then play it back. Does it sound like you when you are mad/calm/etc? I think this is one of the easiest ways to see if a line is convincing or not. once you get that down, it will be a breeze to add the character's voice to the delivery.
I really do think you have a good voice and character development. Hope this was helpful!
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celewo2
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Post by celewo2 on Apr 4, 2017 3:28:14 GMT -8
Don't try to exaggerate that much with the angry voice. As brieannafaye said, you strain your voice way too much and that might come off as unnatural at some points. But I can hear that you're making an effort to improve yourself! I've watched a livestream on picarto (or was it twitch? Can't remember...) where someone did live voice acting, which I thought was pretty cool! The interaction was definitely something. And the girl dubbing live was extremely thankful for the feedback she's received. I don't think the idea of livestreaming your own performances isn't half bad to be honest.
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Post by Deven on Apr 4, 2017 9:43:27 GMT -8
Think more in terms of "characters", not "voices". A single emotion shouldn't define a character, so the more you can develop and grow their personality, the more interesting and believable your performance can be.
Who exactly are they, where are they, and what motivates them? The clearer this is to you, the clearer it is to your listener.
"Angry voice" leaves very little to the imagination. But things like "powerful sorceress" and "strict military commander" are well-defined and interesting characters to work with and explore.
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Post by Nate Protagonist on Apr 16, 2017 0:42:39 GMT -8
Hey sinclairstick, I'm first going to agree with what Deven said about putting the voices into the boxes of an emotion. Though I think a character can be stereotypically always angry, in order to make that come across, the acting needs to create even more minutely defined sections of anger. Alternately, a stereotypical "calm" voice needs to express the entire range of emotions within the realm of "calm." A convenient example of the latter that comes to mind is Jin voiced by Kirk Thornton in Samurai Champloo. This is pretty advanced stuff in fleshing out a character I think because you're already not only holding the full range of this character in your pocket, but applying a particular lens of how they are approaching the world at this time in their life.
With that said though, I don't think there's such a huge discrepancy between your calm and angry voices that they couldn't be the same character. Try taking that concept and fleshing out this person responding to specific situations that bring out certain qualities of anger/calmness. Since you don't have a particular character who you've psychoanalyzed and got close with and know the ins and outs of, I think you may be making your delivery less natural because in real-time, your forcing yourself through various lenses when you aren't comfortable with the core one yet. For example, what's easier to process and make something real: 1. You're a business professional used to getting her way and confident in her skillset that was gained without much applied work when suddenly a situation arises with a new coworker that challenges her preconceived ideas that she is one of the dominant movers in the business world. VS. 2. You're a confident person who is spoiled but now your angry and confused. That may not actually make any sense, apologies in advance if so haha.
Of all the voices you have there, the last one, "calm voice with angry lines" I think stands out to me. I think it's because you're approaching those lines neutrally and then applying an angering situation on top of that. It sounds more realistic and it's the voice out of the four where i'm able to imagine a ridiculous situation happening OR this character being a sarcastic know-it-all. Again, why does that come out here? Because it's the clip where "calm" doesn't so much mean calm as it does "neutral character." It isn't a forced emotion that lines of a certain emotional quality are applied to. It's a neutral voice that situation and emotion are expressed through.
Last, the "strain" of the angry voice that others mentioned I agree with, and I think it's coming of particularly unbelievable because of what I mentioned earlier, but also because it's coming overly from your throat vs. diaphragm. It's something i'm working with as well with yelling in particular, but think of the yells of Chris Farley. Think how the guy could yell at someone but not necessarily be super loud. On the other hand if one was to yell through their throat only, it would be particularly shocking to others and would be difficult to control as well for the yeller. That being said though, if you do root this "angry voice" a bit better but keep it comfortably in your throat, this is a voice that immediately brought to mind for me a bossy older sister or one of the warriors in the group a character just joined and she's particularly hard to acquaint with but once you do she'll have your back forever.
Sorry for the long reply but you have a lot of potential here that I think you'll be able to brush up with just a little added control and motivation from where these lines are coming from.
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Post by sinclairslick on Apr 17, 2017 19:05:15 GMT -8
Hi there, Overall I think you have a lot of potential! I do have some quick notes about the delivery: - The voices are really great, I would just be sure you are able to do them without straining your voice so you don't hurt your chords overtime. Using your diaphragm to do most of the heavy lifting (breathing, depth, etc.) will help you to sustain the character for long periods of time. - It sounds like you are reading/trying to act the lines. I would recommend starting by saying thee lines in your normal voice expressing the line how you would if you were in the scene. Record this and then play it back. Does it sound like you when you are mad/calm/etc? I think this is one of the easiest ways to see if a line is convincing or not. once you get that down, it will be a breeze to add the character's voice to the delivery. I really do think you have a good voice and character development. Hope this was helpful! This was very helpful thank you! I need to get better at conveying emotion in a more believable way
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Post by sinclairslick on Apr 17, 2017 19:12:55 GMT -8
Don't try to exaggerate that much with the angry voice. As brieannafaye said, you strain your voice way too much and that might come off as unnatural at some points. But I can hear that you're making an effort to improve yourself! I've watched a livestream on picarto (or was it twitch? Can't remember...) where someone did live voice acting, which I thought was pretty cool! The interaction was definitely something. And the girl dubbing live was extremely thankful for the feedback she's received. I don't think the idea of livestreaming your own performances isn't half bad to be honest. pictaro stream might be a good idea! I tendto work better when I can be directed in the moment. I'll work something out where I can set that up.)I think pictaro let's you stream your voice pretty easy) And you both are right the angry voice is a strain and a bit over the top
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Post by sinclairslick on Apr 17, 2017 19:16:28 GMT -8
Think more in terms of "characters", not "voices". A single emotion shouldn't define a character, so the more you can develop and grow their personality, the more interesting and believable your performance can be. Who exactly are they, where are they, and what motivates them? The clearer this is to you, the clearer it is to your listener. "Angry voice" leaves very little to the imagination. But things like "powerful sorceress" and "strict military commander" are well-defined and interesting characters to work with and explore. Excellent point! I'll work these out as characters instead of just emotions and give it another pass. Thank you!
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Post by sinclairslick on Apr 18, 2017 9:31:14 GMT -8
Hey sinclairstick, I'm first going to agree with what Deven said about putting the voices into the boxes of an emotion. Though I think a character can be stereotypically always angry, in order to make that come across, the acting needs to create even more minutely defined sections of anger. Alternately, a stereotypical "calm" voice needs to express the entire range of emotions within the realm of "calm." A convenient example of the latter that comes to mind is Jin voiced by Kirk Thornton in Samurai Champloo. This is pretty advanced stuff in fleshing out a character I think because you're already not only holding the full range of this character in your pocket, but applying a particular lens of how they are approaching the world at this time in their life. With that said though, I don't think there's such a huge discrepancy between your calm and angry voices that they couldn't be the same character. Try taking that concept and fleshing out this person responding to specific situations that bring out certain qualities of anger/calmness. Since you don't have a particular character who you've psychoanalyzed and got close with and know the ins and outs of, I think you may be making your delivery less natural because in real-time, your forcing yourself through various lenses when you aren't comfortable with the core one yet. For example, what's easier to process and make something real: 1. You're a business professional used to getting her way and confident in her skillset that was gained without much applied work when suddenly a situation arises with a new coworker that challenges her preconceived ideas that she is one of the dominant movers in the business world. VS. 2. You're a confident person who is spoiled but now your angry and confused. That may not actually make any sense, apologies in advance if so haha. Of all the voices you have there, the last one, "calm voice with angry lines" I think stands out to me. I think it's because you're approaching those lines neutrally and then applying an angering situation on top of that. It sounds more realistic and it's the voice out of the four where i'm able to imagine a ridiculous situation happening OR this character being a sarcastic know-it-all. Again, why does that come out here? Because it's the clip where "calm" doesn't so much mean calm as it does "neutral character." It isn't a forced emotion that lines of a certain emotional quality are applied to. It's a neutral voice that situation and emotion are expressed through. Last, the "strain" of the angry voice that others mentioned I agree with, and I think it's coming of particularly unbelievable because of what I mentioned earlier, but also because it's coming overly from your throat vs. diaphragm. It's something i'm working with as well with yelling in particular, but think of the yells of Chris Farley. Think how the guy could yell at someone but not necessarily be super loud. On the other hand if one was to yell through their throat only, it would be particularly shocking to others and would be difficult to control as well for the yeller. That being said though, if you do root this "angry voice" a bit better but keep it comfortably in your throat, this is a voice that immediately brought to mind for me a bossy older sister or one of the warriors in the group a character just joined and she's particularly hard to acquaint with but once you do she'll have your back forever. Sorry for the long reply but you have a lot of potential here that I think you'll be able to brush up with just a little added control and motivation from where these lines are coming from. Thanks so much for taking the time to type out this reply. The examples you gave really does help. I do need to work on where my voice is coming from with more practice and training, and I need to work on a character conveying an emotion instead of just an emotion
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Post by celewo2 on Apr 20, 2017 1:16:16 GMT -8
Don't try to exaggerate that much with the angry voice. As brieannafaye said, you strain your voice way too much and that might come off as unnatural at some points. But I can hear that you're making an effort to improve yourself! I've watched a livestream on picarto (or was it twitch? Can't remember...) where someone did live voice acting, which I thought was pretty cool! The interaction was definitely something. And the girl dubbing live was extremely thankful for the feedback she's received. I don't think the idea of livestreaming your own performances isn't half bad to be honest. pictaro stream might be a good idea! I tendto work better when I can be directed in the moment. I'll work something out where I can set that up.)I think pictaro let's you stream your voice pretty easy) And you both are right the angry voice is a strain and a bit over the top You can try it out! You'll have to find out if it's something for you or not, that's totally up to you to decide. I thought the idea behind this was great and that more people should do it. Picarto has a voice acting section and twitch does have this too, but I guess picarto is the better choice since it is an overall creative livestreaming website? I don't know, like I said, it's something you need to find out by yourself
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