Harry Vance
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Post by Harry Vance on Feb 20, 2018 19:27:31 GMT -8
Poor grammar and spelling, as others have already mentioned, often makes me not bother with auditioning for a project, and another issue is when the sample lines that I'm supposed to be recording for the audition are really basic things that don't tell me anything about the character, consisting solely of things like "Hey! Did you hear that?" or "Don't talk to me like that!"
I consider myself very good at cold reading but if you don't give me much of anything to work with I can't construct a good voice for the character.
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Post by Ice Queen on Feb 20, 2018 19:52:47 GMT -8
When there are no lines available for any character and the actors are asked to improvise based on the character information given.
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Post by Lady Stardust ★ on Feb 20, 2018 23:31:13 GMT -8
You guys have some GREAT responses so far! A lot of this seems to line up pretty well with the stuff I mentioned in the guide to help people who are wondering why they're not getting many auditions for their projects. For that matter, threads that are closed suddenly before the stated deadline. It's okay if you announce that you have a ton of auditions already and will be moving the due date up, but it's another to close it altogether out of nowhere. Please give an advance warning for any major change like that. This is very close to the casting before the deadline deal, but I've experienced a sudden closure firsthand. Nothing has hurt worse than getting ready to record/actually recording something only to find out the time you've set aside to tryout was for nothing. If you notice this happening in the future, please use the "Report Post" feature from the upper right drop down menu to alert the mod team as this is a direct violation of the audition rules. Sadly there's not much we can do after it's already happened, but at the very least we can let the poster know that this was not how it should have been handled and warn them not to do it again. In regards to the people who give sass about deadlines...sure, you can technically make the "it's my project and I can cast how I want" argument, but many times people don't have deadlines because... I'll say it... it's an act of laziness. They want to just cast the first person that sends in something that "kind of works" and not bother to hear all the submissions. Sure, you can argue that that type of scenario happens on pay-to-play sites, but that's not what we're aiming for here. If I receive an audition from any of the local video game studios I work with, for instance, they will always have a deadline (though it will often be shorter than deadlines for indie stuff---usually 24-48 hours, sometimes if it's a rush job it will be "send by end of day" or something.) Those deadlines are honored and many actors submit last minute, though it's argued that submitting earlier if you can is generally better as it may mean your audition is heard first by the clients. But either way, I've never encountered a scenario in a closed-roster email casting where they say "Deadline is Monday 10 am", you submit Sunday night, and they say "Oh sorry we cast it on Friday evening". That would be seen as deeply unprofessional on the studio's part. If for some reason there was a mistake in the deadline or it needed to be updated, it would need to be communicated to actors immediately. We do allow for shortened deadlines here but they need to give at least a day's notice to the actors. Even if you have an "urgent" job there is no reason why you can't at least say "you have 24 hours to send something in and then I will pick". Hell, I've even seen a college student post here who needed last minute stuff for school radio projects IMMEDIATELY but he still said "need these by 2 pm EST today" or something like that, which is at least a valid deadline and lets people have a chance to submit! 4. Unpaid projects that demand professional quality *anything* (microphones, acting skills, whatever). Sure, you might GET that, but simultaneously demanding crème a la crème and not giving anything in return is silly. THIS. I wanted to find a way to explain this in my thread without sounding sassy, and it kinda just ended up under "temper your expectations", but it's seriously a thing. I understand wanting to have reasonably clean audio and not wanting to cast people who sound like they're recording on an 80s tape recorder or something, but I see so many threads for UNPAID fan projects that say things like "You must have absolutely no background noise or room echo whatsoever" or even "you must not be recording on a USB mic." These are fairly reasonable expectations for paid, professional projects - but if a voice actor has invested thousands of dollars into a home studio and top-of-the-line equipment, do you honestly think they are at the point where they are still relying on unpaid work? It doesn't mean you have to accept mic quality that is utter garbage or has a REALLY LOUD FAN whirring in the background, but if someone has a tiny bit of echo? Part of the whole reason people do unpaid projects is so they can have fun, get experience, and maybe eventually move up in rank, and they need a place to be able to do that even if they can't afford a ton of expensive equipment or soundproofing.
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Post by James on Feb 21, 2018 6:37:36 GMT -8
When there are no lines available for any character and the actors are asked to improvise based on the character information given. I saw a couple of those recently and totally agree. They looked pretty good too but >_< trying to make your own lines based on info they give, yeah no thanks.
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Harry Vance
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Post by Harry Vance on Feb 21, 2018 12:05:07 GMT -8
To expand on what I said before, because I realized I had more to say about that, the issue of the sample lines being vague is really a symptom of a bigger problem that I see on fan casting calls, which is that the director is not making it clear what they want. Most directors tend to want something specific, something they have in mind, and sometimes they know it when they see it, which is fine, but if you're going to open a casting call and the most specific piece of information you have describing your character is the pitch of their voice, guess what, you're going to have a lot of voice actors desperately trying to guess what else you mean.
I see this happen a lot on Casting Call Club, but I swear I'm not picking on CCC when I say all this because I've seen it happen on BTVA and other sites as well. Cold reading doesn't work if you don't have any material to work with. We can't look inside the director's head and just intuitively know what they want, which therefore means the burden of explanation falls on the director to make it clear what they're looking for, because we can't give them what they want if they don't tell us what that is.
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Post by Lady Stardust ★ on Feb 23, 2018 2:24:22 GMT -8
When there are no lines available for any character and the actors are asked to improvise based on the character information given. This happened to me and some of my friends at an IN-STUDIO audition recently. For an actual project. Needless to say, we were all pretty confused and thrown for a loop by that one. It's okay to encourage ad-libbing / going off script, but... to not give actors anything to work with? Even if you want people to play, you need some type of foundation to start from. In other words... a playground, not just a sandbox! (Same client kept saying "do anything / do whatever you want" but then would get frustrated with the actors at the audition for not being able to give them what they wanted, when they didn't even know. Sigh.)
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Post by Ice Queen on Feb 23, 2018 20:50:22 GMT -8
When there are no lines available for any character and the actors are asked to improvise based on the character information given. I saw a couple of those recently and totally agree. They looked pretty good too but >_< trying to make your own lines based on info they give, yeah no thanks. Ya same here... I wish they could just give us some lines so we know what they want exactly! When there are no lines available for any character and the actors are asked to improvise based on the character information given. This happened to me and some of my friends at an IN-STUDIO audition recently. For an actual project. Needless to say, we were all pretty confused and thrown for a loop by that one. It's okay to encourage ad-libbing / going off script, but... to not give actors anything to work with? Even if you want people to play, you need some type of foundation to start from. In other words... a playground, not just a sandbox! (Same client kept saying "do anything / do whatever you want" but then would get frustrated with the actors at the audition for not being able to give them what they wanted, when they didn't even know. Sigh.) Yikes.. That must have been frustrating. Like you mentioned, sure it's good to encourage some improvisation here and there, but the actor could have missed out on an opportunity simply because they didn't say lines that matches what the client envisioned... And it's so unfair because everyone has different interpretations based on the information given!
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Post by Jordan Rudolph on Mar 2, 2018 18:41:06 GMT -8
Definitely everything that everyone has said here, and to expand--
People that are completely unprofessional and don't format their audition posts, have terrible punctuation/grammar, and don't make it obvious what all of the details are. When they constantly have to edit their top post because mods are telling them that they forgot this, and that, and this... It makes me not want to audition, because if they're that unprofessional and scatterbrained, what kind of director will they be?
Also, and I know this is just the industry, but when a director casts you in a part(s), and then suddenly ghosts you and recasts you. This happened to me during a recent, fairly large project and it was incredibly disheartening, and to see them continuously open auditions again and again (and be essentially forced to pay their actors because their project was hugely popular) and still ignore my emails was crappy.
I also dislike when directors cast voice actors first, before ANYTHING else. It's like they want to hear their characters talk, but they have no development on their project whatsoever, and no promise of when it's ever actually going to come out.
One last thing; people who say their actors will get paid "when the episode is released". No no, I'm being paid for my lines, not your project that's going to take six months to come out.
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Post by spearcarrier on Mar 14, 2018 22:41:53 GMT -8
-- James' content redacted due to out of context intolerance. Think of the children. -- Ya same here... I wish they could just give us some lines so we know what they want exactly! This happened to me and some of my friends at an IN-STUDIO audition recently. For an actual project. Needless to say, we were all pretty confused and thrown for a loop by that one. It's okay to encourage ad-libbing / going off script, but... to not give actors anything to work with? Even if you want people to play, you need some type of foundation to start from. In other words... a playground, not just a sandbox! (Same client kept saying "do anything / do whatever you want" but then would get frustrated with the actors at the audition for not being able to give them what they wanted, when they didn't even know. Sigh.) Yikes.. That must have been frustrating. Like you mentioned, sure it's good to encourage some improvisation here and there, but the actor could have missed out on an opportunity simply because they didn't say lines that matches what the client envisioned... And it's so unfair because everyone has different interpretations based on the information given! I gotta be a bit of a devil's advocate here. I know it's not the same situation, but I actually want to be the kind of VA someday that can throw in crazy things and adlib - and maybe have things kept. For example in Tailspin there's a line Jim Cummings says which goes something like, "Come in only if you're bringing me a present!" He was only supposed to say come in. It was hilarious, they kept it. The same goes for some of Darkwing Duck's famous one-liners. How neat it would be to be able to be that kind of creatively brave. Of course right now I'm brave just asking for advice! LOL. But one can dream.
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Post by cbdroege on Mar 15, 2018 1:59:23 GMT -8
I gotta be a bit of a devil's advocate here. I know it's not the same situation, but I actually want to be the kind of VA someday that can throw in crazy things and adlib - and maybe have things kept. For example in Tailspin there's a line Jim Cummings says which goes something like, "Come in only if you're bringing me a present!" He was only supposed to say come in. It was hilarious, they kept it. The same goes for some of Darkwing Duck's famous one-liners. How neat it would be to be able to be that kind of creatively brave. Of course right now I'm brave just asking for advice! LOL. But one can dream. I agree that being able to adlib is cool, but there is a big difference between being in a production with clear roles that you know well enough to throw some extra character into, and going dark into an adlib audition.
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Post by spearcarrier on Mar 15, 2018 8:49:02 GMT -8
cbdroege Too right, which is why I know it's a different situation. I just wanted to throw a positive note on the thread. I think an adlib audition should probably be called an improv session. =^-^= Ha ha... and I feel that when that's the case, just full out ask me to write the script for you because that's what you're doing.
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Post by Bean on Oct 7, 2018 16:12:32 GMT -8
"Say something you think would fit."
It's basically what IceQueen said months ago, but I think it's important to have at least a couple of defined lines to read on an audition. If I see the phrase above, it makes me instantly think the script isn't even close to being finished.
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Post by eileenanglinvo on Mar 10, 2019 9:29:58 GMT -8
Signing my name to ALL the points given by everyone.
One of the things I am wary of is the Discord server as the primary source of communications and the request to meet up constantly and it's more for socializing. Professionals (both VO's and the project leads) don't have time for that.
Something else I notice (I see on CCC a lot) is critiquing each actor's audition. Again, serious professionals rarely have time for that. Solicited critiques from acting coaches, other actors or direction from someone who has hired me is welcomed. Unless an actor requests it, it's not good etiquette.
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Post by Rebekah Amber Clark on Mar 10, 2019 15:32:24 GMT -8
Something else I notice (I see on CCC a lot) is critiquing each actor's audition. Again, serious professionals rarely have time for that. Solicited critiques from acting coaches, other actors or direction from someone who has hired me is welcomed. Unless an actor requests it, it's not good etiquette. Personally, I disagree. Specifically when talking about CCC (or BTVA, which also has public auditions and a comment feature.) The public nature of the auditions and the comment feature in and of *themselves* seem to be a pretty clear solicitation for feedback to me. Exceptions would be if someone posts an audition and requests *not* to receive feedback, or (as I've done on one or two projects specifically seeking out amateurs who may not be considered "up to snuff" skills-wise) if the director specifically asks for people not to leave feedback unless asked on that project. When starting out, I found not only listening to others' auditions, but reading/leaving feedback on auditions to be a tremendous learning opportunity. Now, maybe it's considered rude in "the professional world" but I hardly think a collection of teens making a Minecraft RP counts as the same thing. 
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Post by Lady Stardust ★ on Mar 10, 2019 23:06:01 GMT -8
Signing my name to ALL the points given by everyone. One of the things I am wary of is the Discord server as the primary source of communications and the request to meet up constantly and it's more for socializing. Professionals (both VO's and the project leads) don't have time for that. Something else I notice (I see on CCC a lot) is critiquing each actor's audition. Again, serious professionals rarely have time for that. Solicited critiques from acting coaches, other actors or direction from someone who has hired me is welcomed. Unless an actor requests it, it's not good etiquette. The Discord ended up being the primary source of communications for the VAC because that's what our members gravitated to. In fact, lot of busy people like Discord because they can easily view and chat from the app on their phone. We actually have plenty of VO professionals in the server, and the channels are separated so people who don't want to chat about off-topic things don't have to view those channels. All of the staff members do our best to keep too much off-topic chat from spilling into the voice related channels and we offer a "Professional" role tag for industry members that gives access to a separate chat room for more business-oriented discussion. I rarely see requests for meetups, maybe a couple of times a year if it's somewhere a lot of members happen to be? Anyway, if you have further suggestions on how we can improve our Discord, we're always open to hearing them.
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